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Great article! It really is true. We shouldn't whine about buying players that doesn't cost the heavens. We should be happy about it... that we get a great talent so cheep. Brendan knows how to use this. He is a genious.
DoctorLiverpool
20th Jun 2013 8:50
LongLiveKingKenny1
20th Jun 2013 8:50
"Talk about trying to bring our expectations down!! Without our previous marquee signings in the past (Suarez, Torres etc.) we would be lucky to even be in the top half of the table. We better sign either Eriksen or Mkhitaryan or I will loose hope completely"
IAM4LFC
20th Jun 2013 8:55
"What utter BS. We haven't won the PL for eons. Chelsea and MC buy big names and win it. If we had one STAR in 2008-9, a Ribery for example, we would have won the PL then. Sure you need to buy and develop the unknowns, but it seems that is not enough these days. "
mev4e
20th Jun 2013 9:02
"This man is a genius !!!"
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 9:02
"True, but when you are attempting to compete with clubs who can afford to take a hit on spending 20m on a flop or two, what chance do we have? Realistically spending 7-10m on players is unlikely to get us top 4. Players are valued by their proven skills and ability. The only risk then lies on whether they will settle, and some clubs do better at settling players than others."
LFC-IS-MY-LIFE
20th Jun 2013 9:03
"very good article"
mitu10
20th Jun 2013 9:04
"Wow ...what an article...and rightly to the point where many ( if not all) fans mock about signing players who dnt have a 'big' name "
PenguinFinger
20th Jun 2013 9:15
"That was a very good read. Very true as well. But some of the unknowns we've bought in the last 7 years are so were proper duds a well lol. Degen, Vorinin, Insua, and that list goes on. Now we have Coutinho who was fairly cheap ;)"
ajp81
20th Jun 2013 9:15
"Very easy to look back and pick out players who made it big despite being unknowns. But for every Dalglish there have been 3 Dossena's. Sadly, the clubs who spend big nowadays finish higher up the table. Makes it that much harder for managers like BR to build and develop a team. "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 9:26
"The correlation between squad value and league position isn't going to change any time soon. We will be the most profitable club on the planet, but will never be anything more than mid table. To be the biggest mid table club is FSG's plan, and most fans on here seem happy with that."
Ramilas
20th Jun 2013 9:34
"Good article - especially with regard to time required for players to settle in when moving to a new team. Some do it a few weeks or months, others over a longer period. NONE do it the way it happens in the video games :) All BR's signings last year will be better judged at the end of this season."
jimbob5592
20th Jun 2013 9:38
"Greedy_Yank, tell that to Tottenham when they bought Bale for 12million"
Matt1966
20th Jun 2013 9:39
"I ALWAYS say this, great article. I mean no one had ever heard of Alonso, Torres, Masherano, luis garcia... I mean we got garcia from a division two team in spain called tenerife... Liverpool have no bought well known players, we make them well known."
bowtiehead
20th Jun 2013 9:42
"Fascinating and insightful article. "
ozyredno1
20th Jun 2013 9:50
"Yet another great article from Paul Tomkins and oh so true. YNWA"
Chasanfield
20th Jun 2013 9:56
"would a Marquee Signing be classed as buying with-inTENT? ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist!"
lfcredi
20th Jun 2013 9:57
"Enjoy reading Tomkins articles. Well researched and interesting reading."
TheLight
20th Jun 2013 9:58
"I have been saying this for years, fans who know nothing about football are always the ones screaming out for the big names as their knowledge of players is limited to them, its about finding the up and coming players who are hungry. "
Bane.8
20th Jun 2013 9:58
"Liverpool has a great team, but they still need to gain ... and to provide a safe and bench when players get tired, not in the form or in the worst case of injury. Liverpool has young talented players to keep and work on them, there are experienced players, a true leader and with some reinforcements in positions where 'missing' Liverpool players will be an even better team :)"
jim75
20th Jun 2013 10:08
"PenguinFinger Insua? He wasn't a dud just over played at at a young age because of the dud Dossena and Riise being sold to soon leaving just Insua!Insua was sold to Athletico Madrid for £8 million in Jan 13 we let him go for FREE!"
TheLight
20th Jun 2013 10:12
"I also think if you doubt the above article your highlighting your own lack of football knowledge and it means your not a football fan as all fans should be to impartially understand the entire game, and only an LFC which means you miss out on so much of our beautiful and game and probably make comments on here doubting BR, FSG and still gutted KK got fired.."
TheLight
20th Jun 2013 10:14
"and the Insua issue, another talented lad pushed out of the club at the same time tom ince was... shocking football decisions"
Chasanfield
20th Jun 2013 10:22
"Spot On as always."
Runcornleo
20th Jun 2013 10:26
"Good article again from Paul. Highlighting facts as they are.Some cannot accept them. LFC are not in the same league as Chelsea and Manc's clubs but once the ship is stable progress will be made given time for BR. One season under his belt, he can't be judged on that. I remember Ray Kennedy coming to LFC as a striker but Bob Paisley made him into a midfielder and the rest is history. "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 10:30
"jimbob5592 20th Jun 2013 9:38..tell what to Tottenham? "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 10:31
"Any one who questions the correlation between squad value and league finish is talking utter crap. It is established and proven. End of. Look at the Top 4."
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 10:32
"FSG PROFIT WATCH PART TWO. TV RIGHTS INCOME-60.6m ANDY CARROL INCOME 15.5M PLAYER SPEND-Aspas-7.7m, Toure-nil.FSG PROFIT ON TV AND PLAYERS ALONE- 68.4m. INVESTMENT IN CLUB FACILITIES- ZERO "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 10:38
"If victory and success is a clubs objective,like Chelsea, City and Utd, rather than profit, any undervalued "gems" that lower feeder clubs buy are simply bought by big clubs. Same old same old. "
vassbear
20th Jun 2013 10:40
"true...remember the signing of suso, raheem and texteira..."
SIMPLYRED
20th Jun 2013 10:45
"You're the best footie writer in the country Paul and I agree with most of what you say (always backed up with impeccable stats!), but while your thesis is undoubtedly correct, stats do say that the only way to win the EPL is by buying "stars" for megabucks - something that we are no longer able to do. "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 10:47
"SIMPLYRED 20th Jun 2013 10:45..i see you are enlightened. This website puts numbers to the correct assertion that squad value equals success....abeautifulnumbersgame.com/2011/02/finishing-in-premier-league-top-4.html"
SIMPLYRED
20th Jun 2013 10:48
"The other big problem that buying expensive o/s players has brought about, is the disintegration of the internal market that was the lifeblood of smaller clubs - and now the grassroots of football is threatened with smaller clubs in financial trouble."
redarn
20th Jun 2013 10:54
"this is why scouts are so important... settle on a brand of football and scout for the young/right talent that will slot straight in. "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 10:57
"If we cant afford to compete, and we are being turned into an american burger franchise, one wonders were it will end."
SIMPLYRED
20th Jun 2013 11:03
"I didn't know about this website, but it's obvious really isn't it? Footie is just a global business now for rich men's egos and us fans are at the bottom of the heap cleaning out the toilets. We're not important - what matters is money from sponsorship and TV deals."
clanna
20th Jun 2013 11:03
"brilliant article its so true when you think about it we must look to buy the future not the past even players like pele puskas eusebio messi were all unknown at some point before becoming world superstars excellent paul ynwa"
SIMPLYRED
20th Jun 2013 11:06
"Problem is Clanna, if we can't compete with the big spenders, we'll become one of the feeder clubs and any decent player we develop will be sucked up by the rich guys. Like Torres was. "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 11:14
"SIMPLYRED 20th Jun 2013 11:03..you are right mate. The club is just a cash cow for a shower of Boston Bankers. The club is a "brand"..the game is "the product" and the fans are "the customers"..."
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 11:33
"greedy- You're missing the point as usual of the article. Yes final position in the league depend upon spending, but we can't outspend chelsea,city. So as he shows we can get relatively unknowns who do well -Coutinho and sturridge look v.good for less money than torres was bought for. That's how we can compete, not with trying to sign a £50m player, but with quality at a lower price. "
wolTyson
20th Jun 2013 11:34
"Greedy_yank apart from you really hating them yank boston boy you love LFC and you want to see we win the BPL even it we buy it like other teams have done frankly I would love that also but really no one starts a business with out looking to make a lot of money out of it "
wolTyson
20th Jun 2013 11:34
"Greedy_yank apart from you really hating them yank boston boy you love LFC and you want to see we win the BPL even it we buy it like other teams have done frankly I would love that also but really no one starts a business with out looking to make a lot of money out of it "
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 11:34
"greedy- You're missing the point as usual of the article. Yes final position in the league depend upon spending, but we can't outspend chelsea,city. So as he shows we can get relatively unknowns who do well -Coutinho and sturridge look v.good for less money than torres was bought for. That's how we can compete, not with trying to sign a £50m player, but with quality at a lower price. "
wolTyson
20th Jun 2013 11:36
"BR is doing a good job so far with what he got we and going to get there sooner that later and I don't feel we have to spend 30 and 40m on players "
scotty78ynwa
20th Jun 2013 11:37
"Football is about putting together a group of players together that compliment each other to create TEAM chemistry,this does not have to mean every single player added to the team has to a big star an already well known player at another club. Look at what kind of impact 2 players that at their previous clubs were not regarded as 1st team starters had to our team for a combined fee of 20m cont.. "
AlanSmithee
20th Jun 2013 11:37
"NESV: So here's the deal Paul - the Aspas deal? That's about as big as it gets this summer. With the sale of Carrol, Suarez and some fringe players that should net us a cool 40 million. So how about you write an article convincing people that's a good thing? Paul: Only if it can be more than 40 million words!"
scotty78ynwa
20th Jun 2013 11:49
"Yes 2 player regarded not good enough loaned out etc by their prior clubs came here put into their prefered positions in a system that suits them & have flurished in the time they have been here. Coutinho & Sturridge in half a season bedding into a new club etc scored 15 assisted 9 between them. Those 2 were not considered marque signings but nobody can deny although early days cont.."
scotty78ynwa
20th Jun 2013 11:56
"The difference those 2 players made to our team. Yes you could sign big name marque signings that can come here & do the same but those 2 signings alone shows you don't have to buy marque signings. Anyone that argues against the impact the 2 players mentioned has had & how much they have the potential to be the start of creating a successful team with more similar additions cont.. "
scotty78ynwa
20th Jun 2013 12:02
"Has not got much knowledge of how creating a continually consistent winning TEAM works. You can sign 11 marque signings but win nothing you can buy 11 non marque signings & win nothing,its about buying the correct players that suit your system that all compliment each other as a team. If you don't have big money you do it the smart way with signings such as Coutinho & Sturridge."
Kidtastrophe
20th Jun 2013 12:27
"Greedy Yank, Obviously you would love a sugar daddy to finance our club, who wouldn't? but what happens when they decide to leave and they will eventually. FSG are a business not a charity so I expect them to make a profit off LFC. It is unrealistic to expect an owner to plow money into the club for fun."
danny1966
20th Jun 2013 12:29
"I think some of you are not understanding the article. Look at the great teams we had, most of the players were unknowns prior to Liverpool signing them. At the moment we do not have CL so big names will not come. We have to get back there, then we can sign a big name player each summer, and some lessers as well. Until we are back in the CL spot, we cannot get them! "
danny1966
20th Jun 2013 12:31
"I think either this or next we will be back in the top four, that is when to judge the owners. But also look at Man U. Most their signings in recent years are unheard ofs, but then the odd big buy, but as they are in the CL. "
Kidtastrophe
20th Jun 2013 12:31
"Well Said Scotty78"
danny1966
20th Jun 2013 12:33
"If you look at the style of play, the depth of squad we are slowly building then you will see the team is moving in the right direction. The balance isnt quite right yet,hence on occasions we dominate but get hit by a break when the opposition score, however, that will come"
danny1966
20th Jun 2013 12:41
"plus look at Coutinho and Sturridge. Sometimes the style of play suits a player when they come, sometimes it doesnt. It doesnt matter if the player is a Free or a £80million buy. Look at the position of the club from Jan to end of season, I think it put us third. With some shrewd buys and a good start to the season, that should equate to a top four finish. "
danny1966
20th Jun 2013 12:42
"Thats when the one big buy a season can occur. Plus if you get the big buy when not in CL most will only come for the money. Do we really want those players at our club? I want players who want to come, want to play for us."
ekored
20th Jun 2013 12:42
"Very analytical article.While it is desirous to bring in talents that will make the team better,is is also important to encourage home grown talents.Marthin Kelly readily comes to mind.It must be stated that he is a central defender and should be allowed to play more in that role. "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 12:49
"classANDsuccess 20th Jun 2013 11:34..I dont miss the point at all. You fail to understand the proven correlation between squad value and league position. So by buying cheap player, it logically follow we cant compete. Do you understand? Plus it's not like BR is a genius in transfers..look at Allen, Borini and Sahin."
Battousai
20th Jun 2013 12:51
"'The best players of tomorrow may be unheard of today.' i must say, this sentence is just wonderful! great read!"
wayshapeform
20th Jun 2013 12:51
"The theory is good but in practice these days you do better if you have mostly established stars supplemented with a few home grown youngsters. Also the examples in the article go some way to explain why we have not been at the top for some time. "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 12:53
"Kidtastrophe 20th Jun 2013 12:27..Personally, if the club is to be financially self sufficient, then I don't see any point in the yanks sucking our revenues and spending our money on baseball. That way we wont be a laughing stock Mc Donalds franchise. We will retain our dignity and Pride."
theliamcole
20th Jun 2013 12:55
"VERY TRUE. We've signed some gems for next to nothing. Danny Murphy, Hyypia, Alonso, Agger, Mascherano, Coutinho. And if the likes of Chelsea consider the likes of Sturridge as their scraps, I'd eat off that table."
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 12:55
"The best players who are unheard of today end up at Barca, Real, Chelsea etc tomorrow. They dont stay in mid table clubs with no money. Look at Saurez."
niladri605
20th Jun 2013 13:14
"dan agger took a lot more time to settle here than a fernandhino will take its abt class.clubs pay big money for that class so that the player can give a immediate impact.young plyrs will take couple of seasons atleast.like the case with raheem, suso, shelvey, assaidi, borini etc while similar but expensive players like hazard, mata, ramires, lukakau, podolski etc took no time to settle.."
harbin91
20th Jun 2013 13:14
"Some people should realise that we're not in a position to compete with the likes of Chelsea and Manchesters for players, We lack sugar daddies and they finish higher. We do seem to be able to good bargains though (none more than the man at the top called Hyypia). We have got bad youth retention though. Ince and Insua ast many that were released and end up attracting good fees."
niladri605
20th Jun 2013 13:15
"dan agger took a lot more time to settle here than a fernandhino will take its abt class.clubs pay big money for that class so that the player can give a immediate impact.young plyrs will take couple of seasons atleast.like the case with raheem, suso, shelvey, assaidi, borini etc while similar but expensive players like hazard, mata, ramires, lukakau, podolski etc took no time to settle.."
harbin91
20th Jun 2013 13:18
"Degen and Voronin arrived on frees, and I think we atleast got a fee for Voronin (can't be sure), Degen was just very unlucky with injuries here. Dossena was good going forward but crap at defending so I think he should've been advanced into a winger at least. Insua though could've been a regular LB right now."
melissa96
20th Jun 2013 13:29
"wow! what a wonderfully enlightening article. i'm gonna have more in the realtive unknown players we bring in from now on.:)))"
dunzs
20th Jun 2013 13:31
"Henrikh Mkhitaryan . Pronounced Mac - he - tar yan. Macca it is then, if he comes."
nigi71
20th Jun 2013 13:33
"Really great article, thank you for sharing!"
ajp81
20th Jun 2013 13:34
"A point people are missing is that 5 years ago we had a strong team that was all but guaranteed top 4. This allowed us to nuture in the unknown players and develop them over time. We sadly are not in that position anymore with the emergence of City and Spurs we are struggling for top 6, now is the time for signing 2-3 experienced players to get us back up in the top 4, not potential."
Centrecircle1000
20th Jun 2013 13:43
"Greedy yank come on give it a rest lad- negative- negative- negative-the season hasnt started yet!!!!"
townsey
20th Jun 2013 14:00
" All he is saying is that if you spend smartly today, you could yield a greater benefit tomorrow. Buy for the future not for the present."
suuleey
20th Jun 2013 14:06
"Sturridge was also a Household Name, in that anyone with even a passing interest in the Premier League will have known of him, but unlike Torres, he wasn't a superstar. He was known, but not globally renowned. this guy is lying. what a funny guy hahahahha"
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 14:09
"greedy- No, I said that league position depends upon spending, but I also said that we can't compete with chelsea or city in terms of money. If that's true (and it is!) then how do we compete? As the article says it's must be with relative unknowns who'll bring us quality (Garcia,Hyypia,etc)."
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 14:10
"greedy-No, I said that league position depends upon spending, but I also said that we can't compete with chelsea or city in terms of money. If that's true (and it is!) then how do we compete? As the article says it's must be with relative unknowns who'll bring us quality (Garcia,Hyypia,etc)."
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 14:12
"greedy - The only other way is huge risks- which newcastle took years ago(relegated) and Wigan did partly with 92% revenue to wages bill (relegated) What do you think should be done (apart from burning FSG effigies)?"
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 14:18
"suulee- No, he's right. Sturridge was heard of in the PL, and I'd heard of Torres but he wasn't seen as a superstar. Maybe you should think before calling people who write very good articles (backed up with stats) 'liars'"
Shea360
20th Jun 2013 14:21
"Great article, doesn't matter what is written though you will always have Mr/Mrs negative who want to moan. Wish they'd ban negative comments by people that obviously know little about the game abd what it means to "SUPPORT" this great club. YNWA"
skhanal
20th Jun 2013 14:23
"Utter BS. I like Tomkins' articles, but this is unbearable. If we consider ourselves as big club, we should make some marque signings; otherwise we won't win anything. History may lie, but statistics rarely lie. Please tell me how many cups we have won since last two decades in compare to ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal without buying great names in last 22 years? Cont.."
skhanal
20th Jun 2013 14:27
"People may say me as plastic fan (who craves only for trophy). But I do not care. They may say how often I go and watch match at Anfield, etc. People from Merseyside may say we do not know anything about football, etc. But I don't care. Cont.."
skhanal
20th Jun 2013 14:28
"Though I have never watched liverpool match in stadium, but I am passionate about the club. I have spend one third of my life supporting liverpool (12 years out of my total 30 years). Local people often comment as if we people from other part of world (except UK) do not have idea or right to comment this way coz' we do not contribute to revenue of the club. Cont.."
skhanal
20th Jun 2013 14:30
"For such people (though there may be some good people) I want to inform you that LFC major money comes from TV rights (it's basically the TV package which we pay for) and the sales from LFC store to us. Liverpool wud not have been great club without us. Cont.."
skhanal
20th Jun 2013 14:32
"That's why the club should hear us too. They should sign great players too (should not fully rely on average players). Downing, Henderson, Shevely, etc are not the answer for us. And you would not have been second highest fan base club in England without us. Sorry for being so offensive, but it's true. And if I hurt anyone pls forgive me. YNWA"
SidKav
20th Jun 2013 14:54
"For all the muppets on here saying we don't have success without big money signings look at what happened under Kenny's last stint - Andy Carroll 35 million, Downing 20 million, Hendo 18 million, Suarez 22 million, all household names only 1 delivered"
SidKav
20th Jun 2013 14:57
"Now lets look at Sturridge 12 million and Coutinho 8 million, already two players who have done more than the before mentioned with the exception of Suarez. We dont have the money of the big billionaires of Russia and Middle East and is LFC did go down that route I think it would destroy all that this club stands for."
SidKav
20th Jun 2013 14:58
"I love LFC but I want it to stay true to its traditions and beliefs. Football is a game of billions and playboys but I don't want that here. FSG have provided funds and tbh there has been some reckless spending and if THEIR millions were better spent then maybe we would be closer to league les no mind top 4."
SidKav
20th Jun 2013 15:01
"Aguero cost 36 million 1 million more than Andy Carroll, Navas cost an incredible 14 million, why did we not try to buy him instead of Downing or Hendo. Building a team is not just about money its about the right player for your club at the right price. Play for the shirt not the wages!!!"
Lucky Number 13
20th Jun 2013 15:24
"Not that it's worth much, but my opinion is that whatever approach we have taken in the last 20 odd years, it hasn't been correct. We have never won the premier league. FULL STOP"
Lucky Number 13
20th Jun 2013 15:26
"Very optimisitc for the future though! "
81-82-83-84
20th Jun 2013 15:28
"There's more analysis now, by every club, so it's a lot harder to pluck top players from complete obscurity, as Mr. Tomkins seems to suggest we can do. Nowadays, all buyers can get a gist of which players are any good from much further afield, which has probably led to more accuracy in evaluating players' worth."
dbz
20th Jun 2013 15:34
"I would like us to succeed by developing youth. Sturridge and Coutinho were good signings, but what about Borini, Allen, Assaidi? how can you use 2 signings to justify the success of the transfer system? what if they are not as good next season?"
suuleey
20th Jun 2013 15:36
"class and success, let me tell u one thing. i am not taking my status back mate cos torres was super star in spain with athletico and he was well known bteter than DS when he was same age as him. fact. i bet u were saying three years ago, he is the best striker in europe and now u saying he wasnt super star. come on mate show some respect old players as u show u current players mate "
suuleey
20th Jun 2013 15:36
"class and success, let me tell u one thing. i am not taking my status back mate cos torres was super star in spain with athletico and he was well known bteter than DS when he was same age as him. fact. i bet u were saying three years ago, he is the best striker in europe and now u saying he wasnt super star. come on mate show some respect old players as u show u current players mate "
Eurochampsforkeeps
20th Jun 2013 15:39
"Yes great 'teams' can be built by buying smart and buying players who fit into a team. Last season who had heard of Michu, Benteke, Mirallas etc all cost peanuts, all really good players who would get into any top team."
Eurochampsforkeeps
20th Jun 2013 15:39
"Yes great 'teams' can be built by buying smart and buying players who fit into a team. Last season who had heard of Michu, Benteke, Mirallas etc all cost peanuts, all really good players who would get into any top team."
Eurochampsforkeeps
20th Jun 2013 15:39
"Yes great 'teams' can be built by buying smart and buying players who fit into a team. Last season who had heard of Michu, Benteke, Mirallas etc all cost peanuts, all really good players who would get into any top team."
Eurochampsforkeeps
20th Jun 2013 15:41
"Also who knew of Coutinho who has proved to be a superb signing. As long as we bring these type of players in, we can build a quality team."
jamaica-red
20th Jun 2013 15:53
"great article, so refreshing to see author who does thorough research."
Centrecircle1000
20th Jun 2013 15:53
"A lot is been said about are club on here today-it is clear the days of us spending big bucks are over while FSG are the owners.but many fans beleive in BR and hope he will BUILD a team to take on the big spenders. So its a waiting game for us fans..... Question is how long will we wait for THE BUILDING A TEAM game to succseed? "
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 16:09
"classANDsuccess 20th Jun 2013 14:09..."If that's true (and it is!) then how do we compete?"..the answer is blatantly obvious. We don't compete with the top 4 clubs anymore."
usmans
20th Jun 2013 16:11
"in fact, that is why I am of the opinion that we sell Suarez and buy younger players that are hungry for success, that is key in the game, that is what Dortmund proved, and I think that is what Sturridge and Coutinho have shown, let us sell him and go for Pizarro and Luis Miquil"
Centrecircle1000
20th Jun 2013 16:11
"Greedy- are u gunna CHEER UP today lad?"
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 16:12
"People speak as if BR is the only manager building a team in the league. The top 4 teams are BUILDING their teams around proven high value elite players.And in Spurs case, THEY ARE BUILDING A STADIUM TOO."
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 16:14
"Cheer up about what? Our only world class player Saurez leaving? "
Centrecircle1000
20th Jun 2013 16:28
"Other clubs are BUILDING a team but also building DEBT!!! Fsg have said they will not put our club in financal peril again. And suarez hasnt gone yet"
Anfield Dog
20th Jun 2013 16:34
"In Rodgers we trust"
yazangs.
20th Jun 2013 16:59
"Another PR's BS from an FSG's employee in the sake to brainwash the fans that the club has no money to compete in transfer market. It's an attempt to distract us from the well known proven announced fact that LFC is the 9th richest club in the world even though we are not playing in CL for the last 4 years. cont."
yazangs.
20th Jun 2013 17:00
"So if we cannot compete with the like of the Mans and Chelsea, then why we are not competing with teams like Tottenham who are way behind us in values and revenues? Tomkins may give this article to the dominating clubs, so they might achieve some success."
Greedy_yank
20th Jun 2013 17:06
"Centrecircle1000 20th Jun 2013 16:28..Abramovich and Mansour can easily cover their clubs debts with the loose change in their pockets. And if FFP comes in, they will find away around it, like they do with tax loop holes."
KINGOFCLUBS
20th Jun 2013 17:41
"Just as the oligarchs and the genies from the east will find loop holes in FFP, the negativists will find doom and gloom in any intelligent analysis of where we are and how we plan to come through the other side. Keep up the good work Rodgers!"
KINGOFCLUBS
20th Jun 2013 17:49
"Have we only 1 world class player? Do Gerrard and Reina not count? Any way we're in the process of building a world class 'TEAM!' If Suarez stays he can become part of it, if not it will show he's only interested in his own achievements, prove us wrong Luis!"
lpdcollier08
20th Jun 2013 17:58
"It is a great article. But we as fans have every reason to be cautious. Apart from Sturridge and Coutinho who have experience at the highest level. BR other signings have more experience playing in the lower league. I.E Borini, Allen, Aspas and if he arrives Alberto. With Alberto I think that one is a big outlay for a player who does not even make the U21 or U20 national sides."
lpdcollier08
20th Jun 2013 18:04
"I really hope these guys become the next super stars for our teams, but if they don't and there is every possibility of that too. We will be worse off than last season. I watch a lot of la liga and watching Aspas I thought he was decent, but I never thought he was class. Never seen Alberto, Kolo great signing. Cont"
Billy B girl
20th Jun 2013 18:05
"You don't need millions for players just the right balance and I am afraid BR hasn't a clue - just look at the mish mash of players being linked to the club. Pity FSG didn't think bigger and secure Rafa Benitez as he is a man who knows football. That said hope BR proves me wrong!"
lpdcollier08
20th Jun 2013 18:06
"I am just a concerned fan because we don't have the luxury to waste money like Chelsea and City. I hope I am proved wrong and all of BR signings go on to be world class and I will happily eat my humble pie."
Centrecircle1000
20th Jun 2013 18:17
"Kingclubs- well said far too many negs on here.also when mansor and ambvo' get bored ect what will happen to the clubs?anyway im with the positives. THE NEGS zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
Centrecircle1000
20th Jun 2013 18:23
"Billy b- not been rude but zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz come on las change your tune"
cordoso
20th Jun 2013 18:39
"The goalposts changed when the sky sports premier league came into being, man u caught o straight away and here we are still talking about doing it the old way. Players in those days could be snapped up early and put on an ironcast contract that is not the case any more."
paivars
20th Jun 2013 18:58
"Everything said in this article can be summarized in one short sentence: Liverpool have no money!!!!!"
slytoh
20th Jun 2013 18:59
"Dun understand our transfer priorities. We need established stars like Mkhitaryan and Alderweireld to take us to the next level. Instead we are paying what I regard as top dollar for Aspas, who has not even represented Spain, and almost a similar amount for a player who is not even in the Euro under-21 winning spanish squad. A combined total of 14.5m pounds. Are we nuts? "
Biggerarms
20th Jun 2013 19:03
"Let me ask you a question, Do you think Chelsea or City today, would beat the Liverpool of old? Hmmm."
slytoh
20th Jun 2013 19:10
"Money is tight. we need 2-3 top first team players, not squad players. Why are we paying an average 7m pounds for players that aren't even the spanish squad when we sold Arbeloa to RM for ard 3-4m and when Swansea paid only 2m pounds for Michu. Newcastle only 5m for Cabaye and 2m for Sissoko.The Spanish must be laughing all the way to the bank"
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 19:33
"suuleey- Torres was well known in Spain and to some abroad, but not world-renowned really, compared to say a 'Messi' or Shevchenko when chelsea got him. But I think calling the writer a 'liar' shows that you're not here to intelligently debate points really."
Save us Kenny
20th Jun 2013 19:35
"When was the last time anybody won the league without investment? This article is preparing us for player sales/squad downgrades"
classANDsuccess
20th Jun 2013 19:36
"greedy - If we don't have the financial clout to compete ,which is what you seem to be saying, then you are agreeing with the article to a point- that we have to look to non-marquee names and get players like a Hyypia or Coutiniho, rather than some £50m.Can we then do anything? Remember money-bags chelsea finishing outside the top 4?"
WhelanR
20th Jun 2013 19:48
"Bang on as far as LFC are concerned as we cant afford the Cavani's of this world in any case. BR is far from a genius and that's why I am happy to see we have put together a very strong and experienced scouting team. Paying 35m for Carroll and 26m for Allen/Borini is hopefully a thing of the past..its looking better for next year if we can get Mkhitaryan and co"
Bfrankie
20th Jun 2013 20:01
"other than van persie and possibly Ferdinand what proven megastars who cost fortunes have been better than the cheap unproven players Man uhave brought or youth teamed they have developed. when mourinho started at Chelsea he bought some megastars but in the main he got unproven young players that became megastars lampard, Johnson, cech, et al"
ColoradoREDfan
20th Jun 2013 20:05
"good food for thought.."
Springmountred
20th Jun 2013 20:06
"Yes billy b girl. Rafa knew so much that he thought Gareth Barry was better than xabi alonso and we lost him. His rotation policy was a total night,are and our football was quite often dull to watch. Rodgers has got us playing more entertaining football than we have played in a long time. And he picks players on form not because he bought them or likes them."
Springmountred
20th Jun 2013 20:08
"Cont. your opinion is always so one eyed and one dimensional. People who can't see that Rodgers has got us going in the right direction need to get out more and stop moaning "
fiko13
20th Jun 2013 20:09
"selling saurez to madrid and aggar to barca doesnt sound as good business, the funny thing some of our fans rate lucas and nobody is even biding 3 mil for him :) "
Mondles
20th Jun 2013 20:15
"Tomkins isnt saying that we shouldnt make marquee signings, just that we shouldnt assume players are average because we pay todays "average" prices. I'd have loved us to pay the average price for Benteke last year."
Springmountred
20th Jun 2013 20:16
"Well said mondles. Some folk are determined to be negative all the time. Think greedy-yank must be hicks or Gillette ;-)"
Save us Kenny
20th Jun 2013 20:57
"Brenda wants to go shopping at the boot sale, and find ten items of treasure.It doesnt happen. This season will be poor again."
flash6713ynwa
20th Jun 2013 20:59
"sick of all the negativeheads.just because players arent well known doesnt make them bad players.believe it or not not all brazilians are good,anyone remember mirandinha for newcastle?crap"
Centrecircle1000
20th Jun 2013 21:02
"Saveuskenny- get a grip lad n cheer yourself up"
Vosta Lee
20th Jun 2013 21:08
"Great article. You get what you pay for but don't get blinded by history when looking for big names. If you pay 7 million and the player does not work out you can let the player go for a 4-6 million hit. If you pay 35 million you take a 20 million hit, enough to get two decent up and comers. "
ZanderZane
20th Jun 2013 21:19
"How many les have these 'relatively unknown' players won here between 1994 & 2011? Just look at what Aguero did for City in his 1st season and van Persie for United. 5 or 6 Iago Aspas's won't win us les but just 1 Edinson Cavani for example probably would..."
REDOPIUM
20th Jun 2013 21:20
"impossible to keep signing 6m 7m players and think we will get top 4 PC was brill for 8m but we need acouple of players that will go straight into starting 11 after all we want to do better than last season we cant have neverton thinking they are better than us,"
TheLight
20th Jun 2013 21:47
"right muppets, for the last six months of the league, we were one of the form sides on the premier league, only Manu gain 3 more points than us.... SO WE ARE CLEARLY progressing, so many doom merchants who dont have a clue about football! Borini a great transfer for us, allen still to hit his prime and he will prove all the doubters wrong, ROGERS IS A TRANSFER GENIUS!"
jsvaisg
20th Jun 2013 21:53
"Simply put... Find hidden gems than polished ones.. That is the way to compete now if you don't have corrupted money to compete...."
MADOFLONDON
20th Jun 2013 22:20
"So is this part of Rodgers 5 year plan?,or is it different to rafa's 5 year plan? Or maybe different to houllier's 5 year plan, while these 5 year plans have been going on Man U have got to 20 tiltles, how many more hit & hope transfer policies will we have to suffer? Things will be harder once the new financial rules kick in properly & were already light years behind the top four!"
dolli
20th Jun 2013 22:23
"Good article, but the fact that LFC spent more than half of the income from the sale of Torres on Carroll, still amazes me."
meshiniho
20th Jun 2013 23:02
"I'd like to hear you views tomkins, but really, a full essay every time, loosing interest every post you make, most of us know the history of the club including bargain buys, keep it short and simple, I'd love to give you a few tips ;)"
Team's-nowhere-near-ready-yet
20th Jun 2013 23:06
"Super researched & realistic article by a respected author, although the same doom merchants just keep moaning. Even if we had trillions at our disposal, we can't attract CL marquee plyrs. I'd much rather we won the t!tle by guts & teamwork than paying players 250k/wk. We may be in the top10 richest, but we are not a big PL team anymore; several previous managers saw to that."
Buckie LFC Supporter
20th Jun 2013 23:13
"Good article, but still people turn this into the usual argument BR is better than KK blah blah blah. The 70 & 80's were easy, we had the right team ethic, brought potential & added them into the 1st team structure slowly. i.e Rush took more than a year to develop. contd"
Buckie LFC Supporter
20th Jun 2013 23:16
"but we have not had team ethic for a long time, so we buy potential at 10-20mil & put them straight into the 1st team to deliver. As we are now a fickle bunch, if they don't perform after 4 games there's the chants of "they're not good enough" & time is something they are granted. contd"
Buckie LFC Supporter
20th Jun 2013 23:23
"I mentioned yesterday that AC could have been our Drogba, why not? Drogba was brought at 26/27 when the finished article, AC was only 22/23 & was showing signs in Apr 2012 he could turn a losing game into a winning one. Yes he cost too much, but I'm sure Chelski think the same on Torres, we still made 15mil on the player, contd"
Buckie LFC Supporter
20th Jun 2013 23:26
"the same way SD, Hendo have improved, just like Lucas did, nothing to say Allen & Borini won't also get a lot better. BUT lots people talk about instant success. DS has started ok (he's been poor in some games, saints,everton,QPR), Courtino looks good but contd"
Buckie LFC Supporter
20th Jun 2013 23:36
"Jelavic looked good from Jan to May 2012 but wasn't that good last season, so no guarantee Courtino won't be worked out & not perform as good as he has. People wanted Adam, we got & everyone said rubbish did we not avoid the same situation with Dempsey?"
Buckie LFC Supporter
20th Jun 2013 23:40
"everyone says get this Armenian guy for 20mil, but where's the guarantee he will fit into the prem? Just because he can do it in Ukranian league doesn't mean he will succeed here. We a good team ethic & then work on quality better than what we have"
Savilleo
21st Jun 2013 0:15
"I think you're right, and speak a lot of sense. However, it would have been useful to point out that many Liverpool fans fear the unknowns because so many were bought (Mark Gonzalez, Josemi, jan Kromkamp, Alvaro Nunez, Itandje, Plessis but to name a few) during the Benitez era and subsequently became flops. Fans don't want a repeat of that."
Billy B girl
21st Jun 2013 0:31
"Rafa did buy a handful of flops but my god look at the players he brought in and look at the profits made on them. Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Johnson still the main spine of the team and still worth money ! I rest my case!"
Timmy2pump
21st Jun 2013 2:17
"MATTY1966 Are you on the wind up? Alonso was a well known player, dubbed the Spanish Gerrard(an inaccurate description but still) Mascherano had just had an impressive world cup and was plying his trade in the prem for West Ham. Torres was already part of the Spanish national team, and we signed Garcia from Barcelona."
gerres98
21st Jun 2013 2:46
"the conclusion..The best players of tomorrow may be unheard of today.."
kevkc
21st Jun 2013 8:54
"Honda on a free, alberto looks a very good talent! mkhitaryan prospecting to be great! toure and very good signing, we have no europe so domestic cups and squad size not crucial?! but quality and hunger is what is needed the most...i feel borini will come good and sturridge to score more than 25 YNWA"
kevkc
21st Jun 2013 8:54
"Honda on a free, alberto looks a very good talent! mkhitaryan prospecting to be great! toure and very good signing, we have no europe so domestic cups and squad size not crucial?! but quality and hunger is what is needed the most...i feel borini will come good and sturridge to score more than 25 YNWA"
Springmountred
21st Jun 2013 9:07
"Billy b girl, read the Brian Reade book "An Epic Swindle: 44 months with a pair of cowboys." Rafa antagonised Gerrard and Carragher with the stuff he was doing behind the scenes and actually because of those antics both those players nearly left. Think they have been the spine. Rafa was great but proved to be not great enough. Give Rodgers the same amount of time and cash then compare."
Springmountred
21st Jun 2013 9:09
"Also who are the morons that just want short articles. Learn to read! Paul Tompkins always delivers without fail. The attention span of some people is ridiculously short. Same people probably want to change manager every season. "
strider1410
21st Jun 2013 12:54
"i may be wrong here but i am pretty sure Manure are not the top spenders...are they?"