"The reality is that there was always going to be a bit of movement this season with the club trying to regain some of their money"
If FSG couldn't afford to run a football club why did they buy one?
"Mr. Brendon, Liverpool need a striker. If Suarez is injured, what's the back-up plan then? You need to take a firm decision. Out of Liverpool's 17 league goal so far, he was involved in 14. Bring Andy back from West Ham. "
"Hmm- like I said. I'm not getting too excited over January. What will be, will be. If FSG are serious about getting back into the champions league- they'll invest. If they don't invest- they're not serious. It's as black and white as that in my opinion."
"Talk about FSG running the club on the cheap! They have put £30m of their own money in over 2 years, and that is a loan. These people need to realise that if they want to compete at the right end of the table then substantial investment is vital. They have massively increased revenue from various deals, but investment is seriously lacking."
"if the owners want to prove there serious about us competing with other cluba in europe then they need to provied rodgers with the money in jan if we get the right players in we can finish top 4 or 5 "
"We cannot spend the season dreading Saurez getting crocked. I still think Andy would be a good bet. I know he hasn't scored for West Ham but he has been unlucky and he has caused mayhem allowing others to score. He has also been great defending set plays."
"I respect Caroll, but he cant play Rodgers style of football...look on Suarez...he is far better than last season, because we pass ball at his foot...with Caroll you need completely change system.
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"Its not the owners fault. Commolli and Dalglish spent recklessly on players that can barely make the bench and have now got to be wiser with buys. Stop worrying about Carroll, he can't even score for West Ham."
"FSG can afford to run this team...they are just choosing to do so responsibly. For those of you who can't grasp that, Chelsea and Man City are now accepting new fickle fans. Please apply within."
"since our poor start, we've been pretty good lately, usually against teams like Wigan we'd have lost or struggled to beat them. we definitly seem to have the right atude going into these games under Brendan. its starting to look promising!"
"We don't expect a change of fortunes right away. but not buying players (irrespective of the stupid reality) is a big mistake.
Not just the striking options. You need attacking midfielders. Please buy Christian Eriksen."
"Business is eminent .we can generate some good money by selling downing 7m ,spearing 3m and Carrol 16m .plus cash of 15 from fsg would make a kitty of 40+"
"Last time I looked West Ham had more points than us. I honestly believe that Andy would be more use than Borini. I read somewhere that Spurs were thinking of making a bid for Carrol. With Bale etc. providing the crosses I think he would be a good buy"
"Would you guys please stop nagging about Carroll? What's his goalscoring rate the last two seasons? He did not perform for us and is not performing for West Ham, at least not for even half the value we bought him for. Besides, he would never be more than a back-up and he obviously wants game time. So it's for the better for all."
"I agree with those who want big AC back. He play his center role troubling defenders and allow Suarez to cause mayhem around. See what is happening at West Ham. Defenders are busy with AC while Kevin Nolan is hammering them around AC. We will also need someone hold the ball up. Otherwise we will continue to play backwards and sideways which has become a Liverpool trade mark game. "
"wilfred zaha!!!!!!!!!!!! is a must i said we should by him a year ago!!!!!!!!!!!! people keep saying we need a striker!!!!!!!!!, as bk up maybe but we play with one striker and he is the EPL top scorer!!!!!!!!!!! so we obviously don't have a striker problem. the problem is the rest of them apart from sterling!! the rest offer nothing in attack!!!!!!"
"Cavani is the way to go in january!
money is not everything, if you listens to his agent. And with Suarez and Coates in the team allready, we have a great chance to sign him i think!"
"Well Brendan pls stop mouthing about lack of money bla bla bla and bring Andy Carroll back as a matter of urgency. Fans getting tired of the poor mouth. Thing is FSG bought Liverpool for a song and have spent FA so far on players (net spend). We need a top striker at least in Jan and AC back..then we may have chance at top 5.."
"you have said the wrong thing again Brendan FSG promised to restore this club to its former glories when they moved in we need to compete to make money which means we have to spend to compete our net spend is not much more than money recuperated sinc FSG took over where is all the sponsorship and Tv money going."
"need a striker and another forward. With the way Hendo played yesterday...he can be an alternative to Lucas. Hendo played great yesterday...he can be a presence in the midfield. Sell Downing and Cole...good job yesterday..YNWA"
"TheFAN-2001: May I know what carroll did to impress u so far? He yet to score or assist for Westham who built the around him (He missed couple of sitters too) and it is more difficult for him here as Rodgers concentrates on pass and move style and u know his movements and positioning sense! He is not a Liverpool material. "
"sign great players so lfc are back where they belong.a lot of great players out there.BR need to identify who lfc really need.llorente,soldado,cavani,huntelaar,siem de jong,toni kroos,martens..."
"The "reality" of FSG sucks. They sold Torres, Meriles and Babel for 70,5m plus inter alia Poulsen, Conchesky, Degen, Jovanovic, Alzehar, Ayala,Kyrgiakos, Ngog, Kuyt, Maxi, Bellami, Adam and Aquilani. All that and they still "trying to regain some of their money"!!!"
"the younglings deserve to be respected for theyre work witch has been amazing but we can not expect to much from them, we MUST have more depth!! buy some players mr. Rodgers.."
"Andy Carroll actually costed 35 million pounds, Luis Suarez only costed 24 million pounds, Downing and Henderson was 20 million, I bet Kenny just wanted to ruin us, Suarez was like a bargain, ANDY, he... was a rip off."
"And I totally and utterly agree with the rest of the supporters.. We still have not found the right owners.. It is very understandable since we had a Chelsea supporter selling the club. "
"January transfer window.
OUT:: Downing:7to10mil.
Cole:3to5mil or release him for free to whoever pays his wages
Spearing:2to4mil.
Caroll:17to20mil.(if potential suitor is available then sell him in jan or else,asusual v vil get 18m in summer if westham stays in pl.)
Total:Around 25mil (including caroll sale) and funds of 10to15 mil.
So,in total 35to40mil transfer funds available."
"Yeah bring back Carroll he scored 4 goals for LFC and none for West Ham since he started there, he really is the answer to Liverpool's goalscoring problems :)
Brendan Rodgers YNWA"
"(Contd)
IN::
1.A quality striker (huntelaar,bony).
2.A talented winger(dries mertens)
3.An attacking midfielder(isco,eriksen)
i think these players will more than enough in jan to lift us into top 4 or top 6.(During summer we should bring back up for lucas,a young talented goal keeper.)"
"A month or two ago it was, oh yes we will bring in a few players to help us out, now its we'll try and bring in a striker, its clear that it will be another one of those windows, an to the fans i no we shud be optimistic but we wont be top 4"
"Mr Henry we are not stupid. You got the club cheap and have TV and sponsorship revenues of nearly £100m a season so don't think we don't know your game. You are profiteering."
"But in jan only 2 players would do Llorente and tello for 7m each.. or huntelaar around 8 and walcott for 6m and we can really challenge for top 4.
In summer we can get Erikson"
"do you all think FSG give us money in the last transfer summer then think again !! we all ready had 12m from raul 6m from adam 1m from dirk john henry as kept away from us not been over to watch us "
"Don't all laugh but I want us to sign Shane Long from West Brom. We were linked with him before he went there from Reading and if he is given the correct service which I think he would he will score for fun. And Borini hasn't had the greatest start but he will come good as well. Shane Long come on down!!"
"Move heaven and earth to get Falcoa...He'll want to play with Suarez and Gerrard and Lucas and Reina and Johnson and Agger...we've got enough quality in the ranks to temp him here. If we get close to fourth by January we can persuade him that his goals will get us CL.YNWA"
"Did not see much movement anyway, Fabio and Lucas will be back , better to keep the money and add it to the summer fund and get someone really worth the money unlike last season "
"I hate to say it but most of you people are wrong. It is impossible to compete when you spend recklessly. Just KK how that eight place finish was last year. We could have bought a team with depth for the cash we wasted on downing and carroll.
Curb the spending, cut the waste (cole), and give youngsters a go. That is how you compete. Once that is established, then you buy a missing piece."
"WHO SAVED US FROM ADMINISTRATION ?? FSG !! WHO SANCTIONED THE BIG MONEY SIGNINGS, CARROLL, SUAREZ, DOWNING, HENDERSON, ALLEN AND BORINI ?? FSG !! MILLIONAIRE BUSINESSMEN BEING TOLD HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB BY BUS DRIVERS, PLUMBERS, BRICKIES AND SHELF STACKERS ????? "
"I know there has been some bad deals but majority of the money spent so far has been through selling players... liverpool needs another 100 million in next 2 transfer windows . If FSG cannot afford it ..they should leave "
"I know we donot buy from ManU but Hernandez or a similar player along with Walcott would be great .
Hernandez
Sterling Suarez Walcott
Gerrard Allen/Lucas
Jose Skrtel Agger Johnson"
"If FSG saved us from administration, as is commonly believed,then they will be happy to demand the up coming high court case between G&H and RBS be made public. I doubt it. FSG got this club CHEAP."
"yazangs- Very good point mate. There has been a massive clear out at the club. Even if there hasn't been a good return on certain players, a huge amount of money has been saved on players wages. There hasn't been an influx of players drafted into replace these players just youngsters. "
"The FSG model is great if we can keep onto these youngsters or the owners don't get greedy and sell. Some people will say FSG are doing great ensuring we don't operate at a loss. Aston Villa are a great example. They are a excellently run company but a no-where near compe-ti-tive. "
"Makes me laugh when people say Kenny wasted money. As if it is guaranteed Borini,Yesil and Assaidi are going to be great. They could turn out to be a waste of money too. It wont reflect on BR because buying players carries a risk. You can either afford to risk or you cant. That's footie. "
"Finally I assumed last year we had a structure where KD would identify players, commoli would negotiate and Ayre would sign the cheques! So why is KD to blame? Downing in my eyes was the only bad signing. Carroll was just to high a fee. But who negotiated and signed the cheques??? Hmmm....
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"Here we go again. One good win for Liverpool and BR thinks we do not need to bring reinforcement in January other than a striker. That shows how much BR has to learn from Fergie, Mancini and the other top managers. He is bot strong enough to fight the owners."
"LFC THRU THICK + THIN- I take your point mate. Although saving us from administration! What they and a few other parties where intersted and as much as I hated H & G, they were ripped off big time #karma .You also say business men. Yes, thats what they are operating a business with the emphasis as making as much money as possible.
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"strato is 100% correct. You don't buy a Range Rover if you can't afford to fuel it. You don't buy a Great Dane if you can't afford to feed it! Simple statement, Yanks - cheque book at the ready both in January and Summer. We are supporting BR but losing patience with you."
"Come on rogers bring back Torres he's clealy not happy at chelsea and abs says he might have made a mistake. So come on do the right thing bring him home.
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"BR needs to sell Downing and Cole and raise enough funds to get at least two top strikers and an attacking midfielder to support the team anything less we are not going to qualify for CL or even do better in Europa league. Wake up BR as we have had far too many draws. We need goalscorers!!!!!!!!
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"fsg bought the club for 300 mill (cheap as chips) kd spent a bit of money rodgers has spent a little if fsg want to run there businees there way and spend wisely and not compete with the big clubs in europe the dont expect to atract anyone like falcao,neymar,ozil or benzime just give rodgers fifty quid in jan to bring in carboard cut outs of top footballers and keep all there money in baseball"
"why buy a football club if u want to get money back what u want is money back to spend on the baseball club they already said they pay more for that than lfc bad job selling to the yanks again"
"The amount of people here who have no clue. Rushjob is the only one making sense. Well played mate. Everyone else seems to think that football is like FIFA and all the money the club gets is available for transfers. The club has a lot of overhead, big stadium costs etc. so money isn't available. Carroll doesn't have a clause in his contract to be recalled, so we can't get him back."
"ANI RD, I GO ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT THEIR MONEY ON THE TABLE IF THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT CHAMPS LEAGUE QUALIFICATION. I'M NO EXPERT ON RUNNING ANY BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY A FOOTBALL CLUB BUT FROM WHERE I'M SITTING THEY SAVED US FROM A POMPEY STYLE NIGHTMARE. AS FOR H + G, IF THEY WERE RIPPED OFF, THEN WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND !!"
"JUST A FEW MORE POINTS, 1. ANDY CARROLL IS UNLIKELY TO COME BACK TO LFC (HE'S CLEARLY NOT IN BR'S PLANS). 2. WHEN JOE COLE MOVES ON WE WONT GET A PENNY, HE CAME TO LFC ON A FREE. "
"ThatLadPaul- I am sure we are all aware of overheads -stadium, training facilities etc. We and the 19 other prem clubs are self sufficient to those out-goings. A club like Tranmere who may not have a good season and have poor attendances would be susceptible to be hit by those out-goings. contd.."
"We can't use factors like that to comprehend the owners getting rid of many players and using youth players as replacements. Yes if this gamble works then great. A top side competing for honours on a shoe string budget. FSG would be perceived as genius's. The reality is no clubs at least in the UK have success without putting their hands in their pockets.
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"Rodgers should never have double minds about January transfer market. There is a clear need for strikers if the team is to push forward.
Suarez alone can not continue to shoulder the goal responsibilities of an entire team. It is risky, dangerous totally unacceptable."
"LFC THRU THICK + THIN- You make some good points mate. The FSG saved our skins quip doesn't wash with me. An organisation looking to get onto the football (or soccer to them) market. They got the club at a very low cost and there was other interested parties. "
"Imagine if Ken Bates bought our club and runs it like Leeds etc. Would you say Ken Bates saved our club? Doubt it as everyone knows he's after making as much money as possible. Cheap acquisitions minimal outlay.
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"A striker is a must in January and a top one at that. Hope the American owners don,t let Brendan and us down again. I won,t believe it till whoever comes in signs and is confirmed as a Liverpool player."
"Strato dude, what you want is a rich arab owner like Man City have. We don't have one, and we ain't gonna have one any time soon. Considering how much was spent on Downing, Carroll & Adam and what they've got in return I can't blame them for tighetning the purse strings."
"ANI RD, I KNOW YOU ARE SCEPTICAL AND AFTER THE H + G DEBACLE I CAN UNDERSTAND OUR FANS HAVING DOUBTS. I JUST THINK AT TIMES WE ARE ALL TOO QUICK TO STICK THE KNIFE IN WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THE FACTS. I ALSO THINK IT'S EASY TO SAY ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES WOULD HAVE DONE ANY BETTER OR WORSE. "
"FSG obviously want to make money out of us because they are business men, just like the Glazers, Abramovich etc, etc. but they'll make a hell of a lot more if we get to the top again and that is what they ultimately want. Personally I think they're genuine people who so far have done a good job and put a sound strategy in place, but it will take longer than we all want - PATIENCE!"
"ANI RD, CARROLL, HENDERSON, ALLEN, DOWNING AND SUAREZ ARE HARDLY 'CHEAP ACQUISITIONS'. IF THEY'D PUT THE BLOCKS ON THE BIG MONEY BUYS I'D BE GIVING THEM STICK MYSELF BUT THEY'VE GIVE THE SEAL OF APPROVAL ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. NO DISRESPECT !!"
"LFC THRU THICK + THIN- mate try and see past those early acquisitions. They where all more or less paid for by selling players, there isn't a great net spend and think how much money they have saved on wages? A player an average one at that can earn £7 m a season or thereabouts. contd..."
"Think how many players left and how much they saved on wages. All this with big commercial deals bringing more money to the coffers. I just want to see some of that money put back in.
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"Think how many players left and how much they saved on wages. All this with big commercial deals bringing more money to the coffers. I just want to see some of that money put back in.
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"stratoscouser - The reality is that Kenny blew the budget on average english players - signing them to huge contracts - and getting nothing in return. That is unsustainable!!!"
"ANI RD, WE'RE GOING TO GO ROUND IN CIRCLES. I AGREE WE HAD THE TORRES MONEY, ETC, BUT THE OWNERS COULD HAVE REFUSED TO PUT THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE CLUB (CARROLL + SUAREZ), INSTEAD THEY BACKED THE MANAGER. JUST THINK THE CRITICISM IS OVER THE TOP AND PREMATURE. ANYWAY, YNWA ANI RD."
"It's a myth that we were bought "on the cheap". Our actual valuation was somewhere in the vicinity of 300-350m, not 800m as some dodgy estimates had it. So, yes, FSG did get a slight discount, but not the bargain basement deal some imagine it to be."
"BR's January Transfer Strategy is already turning into another Transfer Shambles even before it starts. "The reality is that there was going to be a bit of movement this season ..." is a complete turn around from what BR said before the end of last transfer window. His strategy is to make excuses on behalf of the owners..."
"Don't know why, just don't trust FSG and their motives. Absolute rookies running what we love. However, it's only November. And I need to take some of my advice here too, but we need to calm down. We can only judge once the window has closed. We all need to keep a lid on the paranoia til then. Cos as each Jan day passes, it's just gonna get worse and worse. (Contd)"
"I really couldnt care less about big signings and big spending. It means nothing to me. Much prefer to buy someone on the cheap and turn them into a great player worth a kings ransom but keep them for eternity."
"Its rare that I would agree with what Life Thru is saying but its clear he is hitting the proverbial nail on the head. FSG could have taken the money accrued by Torres sale and pocketed it just like NUFC have done whilst recruiting smartly so it goes unnoticed by their fans, cont..."
"Maplered if it not qwners fault whos is it they gave Dalglish and commolie the money to wast on players whoe are not worth half of what we payed they should of asked questions any sane liverpool supporter would of given them the right answer,"
"But they chose to back the management and procured the players they wanted. Now we have all seen what the expensive acquisitions has done to LFC and its only prudent and understandable that the owners don't want to go down the same abysmal route. So they find a manager who is akin to their philosophy, cont.."
"A young, ego free, fresh ideas man, who comes with a plan that comprises of polishing rough gems, spotting up and coming stars and giving youth its head, and that man is BR. The owners believe in a smart business model which relies on spotting the next star whilst shifting on dead wood and never spending money on average players, cont..."
"The game was wonderful to behold.BUT one swallow does not make a summer.We need strengthening.Luis must have help if we are at least to finish near what the king achieved'eighth plus two finals, one cup."
"This is a complete departure from recent past practices and one I wholly endorse. Most LFC fans have been muck kinder to BR than RH because being an intelligent group they can see the snippets of progress knowing that with a couple of addition we would have created a team using the new vision"
"So for example if we had nurtured Sterling Jonjo, Ince and Suso and not bought Downing, Adam, Hendo and AC we would have still have had a better team without wasting a significant sum, near 70m. You don't have to be a scientist to work out the colossal wastage is recipe for disaster and the new model makes sure we never go down that thorny path again. "
"So where are we? We are in the aftermath of a hurricane where destruction and waste are visible. What do we need? A calculated plan, calm heads and a patient audience. We have a plan, we have the calm heads at the helm and we fans have to provide the last bit, patience, and we will then see the glory days come back! "
"Gotta say, Buddha is bang on. Re-iterating my post 'calm down calm down' :). It's tough being an LFC fan at the mo- getting grief and ridicule off everybody. This is so cliche, but if ever there was a time to take heed of the words of our anthem- it is now. I do t do patient, but coming on here all sending each other 'on one' isn't the way either!"
"Time for respect for all. No more 'I told you so's' no more 'I'm right, you're wrong' no more name calling. Lets all try (it's hard) to be patient, respect each other and remember that we follow the greatest club in the world, a club that is bigger than any player, and any 'franchisee'. We have no choice. PS-please quote me on this post when I have a 'wobble'! "
"Let`s be honest here.. King Kenny got a solid budget which they never shoulve trusted him with. Not going to say the players he bought are rubbish, they have good potential..BUT I believe Rodgers would have done twice as good in the transfermarket with half the funds KK got.
So saying FGS cant afford to run us is just crap, because they have spent a solid amount in the transfer market."
"Let`s be honest here.. King Kenny got a solid budget which they never shoulve trusted him with. Not going to say the players he bought are rubbish, they have good potential..BUT I believe Rodgers would have done twice as good in the transfermarket with half the funds KK got.
So saying FGS cant afford to run us is just crap, because they have spent a solid amount in the transfer market."
"FSG must leave and go doing their dirty business with a fourth division club.TO RODGERS AND FSG: DON'T TRY TO SELL SUAREZ AND STERLING BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT SOME BIG CLUBS ARE AFTER OUR HEROES AND FSG WE WILL TRY TO GET SOME POUND IF GOOD OFFERS FOR ARE MADE FOR THEM"
"Rushjob, even when I am fighting with other fans I always remember we all want the same thing. If RH had come and delivered a great team we would have all forgotten our prejudices and like every fickle fan would have heralded him as our saviour. We only have to see the whitewashing of history with Lucas to see how mad fans are, cont..."
"Rushjob, so if I jokingly say I told you so, you should pray my I told you so's come to fruition as it would mean we have progressed and then we will all be happy. Sometimes too much emphasis is put on peoples words and not on the intent. Even if I wholly disagree with Ani, I know he wants a resurgent LFC, cont.."
"My point is that I believe this can not be achieved if we buy and hail mediocre players as this will become the new normal. For a team blessed in history with a midfield of Souness, McDermott, Molby, Alonso, Gerrard etc we cant be hailing one decent game of Hendo and then expect to get back to the top, cont... "
"Its alarming that we are now a team that fight for a top 6 place but I fully understand why how we got there. Its by playing players who would have never got into past reserve teams let alone the first team. Once we were the team that the greatest players lined up to play for, now we lose out to Spurs, cont..."
"In the past great managers like Shanks and Paisley would never allow an average player to divide us fans as they would have removed him if he was ineffective. So when they asked us to support a player in red they did this knowing the players were deserving of the red shirt, cont.."
"Rushjob, our biggest crime in recent years which has coincided with our demise is that there has been players who should never have been able to call themselves Liverpool players. Managers like Shanks would be turning in his grave as he would not have tolerated such mediocrity. We were once noted as being a team that never suffered fools gladly, cont.."
"Now we languish with the Fulhams and West Broms and yet some still hanker after average players. If we don't get top 4 this season that would be 3 years out it and it will become the new normal. What next, relegation battles??? That is why we must pray for BR and the owners to get their plan right, cont..."
"or we will be looking at being in the top half of the league as representing success. My how the mighty has fallen but I am more than hopeful that we are on the right track and it requires a radical plan and that is why I embrace the very novel one being presented by our owners and BR. I thank you! "
"I will repeat my earlier post sign SHANE LONG!! and adding to that I would rather see kids coming through from the academy and reserves than some over paid mercenaries. They might not all ahve the loyalty of locals but they have more than the mercenaries. SHANE LONG our new number 9 !!!!! "
"The only solution should be as follows: OUT: downing, Cole, Carroll. IN: Cavani and a top-class goalkeeper. Never sell Sterling even if we get Willcot. We should start thinking of a replacement to SG and we'll start competing for the championship !!!!..."
"Maybe we should not be surprised that there does not seem to be an endless pit of money.After all FSG have promised us a 60,000 seater stadium starting 2014 so we need to be patient as this seems to be a long term plan and not a quick fix. need to trust The owners because if it were not for them we would still be under the ownership of the 2 cowboys gillete and higgs."
"Could not agree with you more Anfieldrd Andy carol is not and i will repeat myself HE IS NEVER A LPOOL PLAYER not in a million years do i want to see him back at anfield again."
"WHY THE HELL BUY A CLUB AND PROMISE SUCCESS AND PREMIER LEAGUE LES IF THEY HAVEN'T GOT MONEY TO SPEND,,,THESE DAYS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN THE LEAGUE,,BY SPENDING,,,LOOKS LIKE THOSE YANKS HAVE ATTACKED THE KOP AGAIN..!!!!"
"$%^ ^&* FSG! YOU APPOINTED "CASH FLOW" COMOLLI AND SIGNED OFF ON HIS IDIOTIC VALUATIONS! Still, only £35m NEt was spent last summer with all the ins-and-outs, and £2m this summer. Championship sides spend more! We've heard this before - BR talking of strengthening. Don't believe any of it. FSG will probably force the sale of Saurez in Jan. That's all I expect in terms of movemnet. Cv^#$"
"I agree we need to give BR time..deffo! But if I hear 'Rome wasn't built in a day' one more time..I'll go nuts lol. Jeez the most over-used phrase this year."
"Precisamos de um ponta de lança temos o Andy Carol
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"Don't blame FSG for the financial recklessness that was the Rafa era. Are we a proud club? Are we too proud to accept charity from FSG or anyone else? I am. FSG are there for support while we get financial again. They aren't here to gift us money. Why would fans of a proud club like THE MIGHTY FIGHTING REDS want that? "
"Trying to get their money back!!!Henderson,Downing,Carroll. football is a business people and it all about winning on the field first and foremost. however you can't just throw money away and expect to survive in the long term."
"CHUCKER, ARE YOU ALLUDING TO RAFA'S 'RECKLESSNESS' BY BUYING ALONSO, MASCHERANO, REINA, TORRES AND GARCIA FOR EXAMPLE ? THE SAME RAFA WHO WON THE CHAMPS LEAGUE AND FA CUP ? NEGATIVE DOOM AND GLOOM AS USUAL CHUCKER !!! "
"My mate is WHU and they love Carroll down there. Not scored but Man of the match a couple of times for them. Plus he did miss a few games through injury.
He's got long hair and they don't care. "
"The great news is that the team is gaining a high level of confidence...very well deserved IMO! The lads are all fighting for a starting position and our morale seems to be excellent. With Lucas and Borini due back soon, one reputable world-class striker could take us up the table pretty quickly!Patience is what we need!"
"Rushjob9 at 1850...... Spot on mate.... I don't trust FSG anymore than you but let's give them a bit more time before we throw the baby out with the bath water."
"hi look wot happened last jan spent loads of money on mediocre plyers part frm suarez n paid way 2 much 4 them apart suarez if we waitd till end of season we wudnt have paid tht much so stop moanin about how much money we shud spend in jan just loan 2 plyers and wait till end of season then go buy players will get a better deal and thay wud b able 2 ply in all competion ynwa till i die???"
"The closer we are getting to the transfer window, the more the manager is playing expectations down. I can see us spending nothing, just looking for a freebie or a loan. The owners need to realise that actions demonstrate ambitions, not chatter. Their actions in the last window were that of "settling for midtable". Get a grip JWH!"
"LDW, Life has been through the Buddha verbal jousts and survived so he is now hardened and ok. I better say lol so that our good friend Rushjob will know I am joking and another lol so that he knows I am joking about my last comment, and another lol and so on and so on. "
"Life, some folks are not happy unless they are spreading misery and doom. We win on Saturday and some are still questioning whether our owners are going to back BR in January. Why don't they wait to see before passing there negative judgements, hmmmm"
"FSG already spent vast amounts of money to bring in the likes of Carroll, Henderson, Downing and Suarez. The reality is that you can't make those kind of investments every transfer window. Look at Arsenal and United, they're never spending more on players than they get in. That's how a modern football club is. Producing players through the academy, and bringing in little support if necessary."
"Dalglish spent 100 million on crap. You can't spend 100 million on players every year. That's ing crazy. Spend 100 million wisely, and we would win the Champions League. Brendan is just sorting out Kenny's mess, so don't blame FSG, this is all KD's fault."
"Why don't you play assaidi and yesil Morgan NGO we have players all we need Is a strong CDM another winger and 1 world class striker the rest the young ones should get a chance including Pachecho YNWA"
"hanssg1811 23:05, my sentiments exactly. Its strange how BR is being given a rough ride by those you give KK a pass. We are in the results business so once BR plans starts to bear fruit then it will be funny to see what these guys will say then, hmm"
"FSG are looking more and more like the previous owners.False promises of investing in the club with money for transfers ,however they are cutting the squad by selling players but not replacing them.They should not have got involved with LFC"
"From reading between the lines it looks like we will get a couple of players in including a striker and will off load a few. I hope BR has a choice in who to get in and who to off load. It looks like the summer transfer window is when the real deals will be done."
"Proven strikers will be difficult to get in the Jan window. I can only see a couple. Huntelaar if he want to come and Demba Ba. Torres could still be a possibility but at what price?"
"We need 2/3 players. Having just evaluated our squad..our squad isn't actually that bad. We have one of the best keepers in the world..with Jone proven to be a good deputy. We have two great attacking full backs..and Kelly and Robbo are great back-ups. Cont.."
"We need to be in a better league position then we are at the moment to attract decent strikers. next five games will be crucial. I haven't seen a consistent run of wins for ages and by 1st of Jan this is what is required. Luis must be careful between now and then not to get a straight red. He could nearly have done for what looked like a stamp."
"CBs..jeez..we are so strong there..MS, DA, JC, SC, AW..plus Danny Wilson and Stephen Sama..also pushing for places. Lucas, is a beast, Allen- I'm still a bit unsure..Shelvey and Gerrard means we have decent C Mids. Sterling, Suso have come on leaps and bounds under BR's stewardship and our gracing the PL..like a Gazelle gliding away from a Cheetah. Cont.."
"And with Suarez one of the best forwards in the world. We just need two clinical strikers and then West Brom can be relieved of their duties of warming 4th up for us. Llorente and Walcott please. "
"My concern is that Rodgers seems to decide who he wants at LFC. Borini didn't look good before he was injured and Allen seems to really struggle against quality or physical players. Maybe we should look players he hasn't been associated with???"
"Childs play. 'oh you are deemed intelligent if you agree with me! 'Deluded if you don't! I have said many times. I don't trust FSG. Kenny did a good job but was released controversially and in a sinister manner but we move on. BR I like but not 100% convinced as he is an
unproven manager with 2 P45's to his name in his 3 previous jobs. "
"It is getting tiresome now. As Rushjob said, stop the 'I told you so's (no-one likes a smart ar-se. Stop insulting KD (he's moved on) Stop insulting certain players because they where Kenny's English signings and most of all, stop calling people deluded, stupid, hypocrites and so on because they don't agree with ya. "
"Think people know who this is directed at... Yes, I may of caused offense in the past, but I learnt my lessons and said sorry and admitted I am wrong. Some people can't admit to being wrong which makes these pages tedious. I'm off to sleep anybody wants to disagree then do so, just won't read until tomorrow. Night my fellow fans... xx "
"Another disappointing transfer window is about to transpire.
Has there been anything positive since David Moores decided to sell to the wrong people?
Why are we expected to pay so much money into the club with no sign of any significant improvement?"
"dear guys just be more realistic,what would the striker do alone?suarez is an extraordinary player<he could do everything alone without anyhelp from the midfielders,we cant get player like him with limited budget,we have no good midfielder apart from gerrard who could change the game with their lethal passes,hendo downing should be benched
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"BR u doing great without Carroll, so jus leave him don't break the spell! Jus rem KK e and follow your insution! Even without any transfers this Jan, I'm still grateful to FSG. Its still fresh in my mind that they brought us back from administration, really thankful to them! "
"Hey guys,i heard that CAVANI has opened talks with LIVERPOOL.His agent has confirmed the same to uruguayan newspaper EL TELEGRAFO.He also said that cavani wants to play good football n he is not attracted to big wages. What do guys think?will he come to LFC?Will King Luis convince him? check out the original link.
onside.dk/premier-league/agent-cavani-taler-med-liverpool-og-arsenal"
"(Contd).here is the translated version. Agent: Cavani talks with Liverpool and Arsenal Edinson Cavani is on his way to Liverpool or Arsenal. The 25-year-old Uruguayan striker Edinson Cavani has long bombed goals for Napoli, but now he may soon be on its way to England. - Liverpool and Arsenel are the first clubs that Cavani has agreed to talk to, says agent Claudio Annellucci."
"(Contd)agent Claudio Annellucci according to Eurosport to El Telegrafo. - It is no secret that Edinson want to play in England.It is one of his greatest dreams, says Annellucci.Previously Cavni linked with Man City and Chelsea,but it rejects agent now. He plays football because he loves the sport. salaries have never attracted him, saying Annellucci. Cavani is now Serie A's top scorer(8in10)."
"Also 2dy tom werner confirmed that dre is no chance of selling suarez n dey vil bring reinforcements in jan and assured that dre will be one big signing that will make the supporters happy.I HOPE THIS SIGNING IS CAVANI ONLY. cavani+suarez=deadly partnership&top 4+pl les in nxt seasons for LFC.
Here's the link.. .mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-news-anfield-chief-1444000"
"All BR has said is that there will not be wholesale changes , he has not said money is not available for the right players , what he means is the owners will not be spending on 4 or 5 players , they will sanction striking options"
"Buying Fernando Llorente is the best possible player to buy as World Class Goal Scoring Prolific Striker. Given Llorente problems with A. Bilbao, LFC buying Llorente would be a shrewd business. Also, buying Christian Eriksen would a good addition to the squad and ideal mould for our Stevie G. YNWA"
"Fernando Llorente is far much better player than Fernando Torres. Since Llorente is in his final months of his contract with A. Bilbao. So Llorente will be available for a really low price. Huntlaar will join a side that plays CL and FSG can't afford big price tag to buy Cavani. Llorente the man to buy. YNWA"
"Goota love the intellect of "Budha" and "RUSHJOB" you are always spot on..... My only point about our Jan signings is If Huntelar and Walcott are available for around 10 million each, we should not miss it.... Going by our recent past, I am not so optimistic... In BR I trust!! :) "
"Suarez signed an improved contract during the summer break. If FSG didn't have money to run the club, why did they nod an improved offer? There is no use in spending huge for half-cooked players. How many of you trusted him when he replaced Suso with Hendo during the week end? BR has a tactics to get the right player at right price rather than a half-cooked player at sky rocketed price."
"Craig Mackail-Smith.. reckon we might nab him.. he'll be happy to sign and not be a regular striker.. BR was at a Brighton game watching him the other day.. I've watched a couple Brighton matches, and he has fantastic energy and movement and vision.. exactly the type of player BR would like.. get him pretty cheap, and have enough left to get a more "experienced" striker"
"Good Job BR. Wigan was a must win game. We played all so called big teams apart from t'hem till midweek. So now out next 7 games give us 6 win and one draw. This is something required to be in top 6. (Cause that will take our telly to 34 pts). "
"We would like to see much more of shelvey and handerson then we are seeing right now. Shelvey is a class player he needs good training and he has potential to be a true sensation like sterling. Handerson needs to play in his position I am sure he can give good result. "
"THE ARM BAND PROVED HE WAS A RED TORRES TORRES, YOULL NEVER WALK ALONE IT SAID TORRES TORRES. WE BOUGHT THE LAD FROM SUNNY SPAIN HE GETS THE BALL AND SCORES SGAIN FERNANDO TORRES LIVERPOOLS NUMBER 9...... "
"January Transfer window::
OUT:
1.Downing->7-10M
2.Cole->3-5M or give him for free to whoever pays his wages.
3.Spearing->2-4M
4.caroll->16-20M(sell him if we find a potential suitor or asusual we will get 17M from westham if they stay in PL)
Total:25-28M plus funds 10-15M.Transfer funds=35-40M
(contd)"
"(contd)
Total:25-28M plus funds 10-15M.Transfer funds=35-40M
IN:
1.An out and out quality striker(Huntelaar or Bony).
2.A taleneted winger(Dries Martens).
3.An attacking midfielder(Eriksen)
I think We can get all these within 35-40M.
In summer we need to get a quality backup for Lucas and a talented young goalkeeper.
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"Any news about cavani to Liverpool??this link says he has opened talks with us..... onside.dk/premier-league/agent-cavani-taler-med-liverpool-og-arsenal"
"Well, Tom Werner has said last night that there's no way we will sell Suarez, that there's gonna be some major investment coming in, and that he feels fans are gonna be really happy with January's business! We can but only believe the guy.!"
"Straight away I feel more at ease. Tell you the current problem at LFC. We need a proper leader from FSG Liverpool 24/7. This link with a decision maker and fans needs to be improved. "
"i know its not realistic enough right now..but if we did have the money, it would be great if we could get walcott, huntelaar & christian eriksen AND sell joe cole and downing..even henderson maybe..that would be a frightening squad..a mix of experience and young talent! "
"The reality is BR has said there is money available for the right player in the position that needs reinforcement. What he has said is the mistakes of last january will not be repeated with 4 players coming in at vastly inflated prices. That is not being able to afford running a football club , that is common sense stratoscouser"
"Oh Boy! I haven't seen a single comment that mentions the stadium upgrade. Anyone here care to take a flyer at what that may cost(Loss of revenue while being upgraded included)??? I think you're all being a little to harsh on the owners...In another 2 seasons we're still Mid table, then yes. I'll also shunt them, but for now I'm backing the entire team"
"when you trust in 20mil for downing, 16mil for henderson and 35mil for carrol you've put out 35% of the price of the whole club on three players who are not good enough to play...We aren't ManC or Chelski, so we must build from within and be smart. NO MORE TRYING TO BUY SUCCESS. In Brendon we trust!"
"It's funny FSG say they are not looking 16 weeks ahead but 16 years and yet are looking at taking profit in their second year with no up front long term investment in stadium or facilities. And people applaud their model! Got to be mancs."
"I have to laugh at all the people on here calling for Andy Carroll to return..... Anyone in that group either do not understand football enough to see that he cannot play the type of football we need or else they are the same blinkered people who would probably like to see Kenny back as manager again.... "
"Rony2285 - That would be a dream january transfer window! If only it could be true. Downing looks to be gone so lets get what we can for him and Carroll. I still hold some hope for Henderson though.
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"I think the key is that they can't afford to run a football club 'badly' - This year is about fixing the years of malmanagement and setting up a sound business model for the future, Obviously. Get rid of 'bad contracts' spend within budget. Not rocket science. we are in good hands."
"In retrospective the signings of Carroll, Downing and Adam were disasters. But isnt Liverpool a club with enormous income? One of the biggest fanbases in world sports? How can we then be competing with the likes of Fulham,Swansea and Stoke for players? We should be up there with Juventus, the manchester clubs or at least Tottenham. Where is the money going?"
"we ve only just started to get results and fans already want to change things be patient December is usually poor for us with sill dropped points so lets hope to change that.. don't need carroll need skilful and quick thinking players ..fsg give the club stability and are going redevelop .one high quality signing who wants to succeed for the club will do "
"It wouldn't make sense to move a lot in January. First of all it's too costly and second of all the players we would offload would further diminish our squad options. So a striker in January, maybe two would be good. Jelle Vossen gets my vote."
"My concern right now is I rely hope the scouts are all over the place eyeing some prolific, aggressive and strong strikers not the lazy wants. The EPL is filled with strength. Therefore, we players that fight in the box to make things happen."
"All the fans asking for vast amounts of investment need to realise the club needs to be self sustainable as we are gearing towards financial fair play."
"Edinson Cavani would be a dream signing in January, but just that - a dream. Suarez has four yellow cards this season in the PL, one more and a one match suspension is inevitable. Defence and midfield are fine, all available funds MUST be put toward a striker."
"People wanting Andy Carrol back hahahaha how many goals has he scored? Even though he is 29 i would much prefer Huntelaar especially at 9 mil! hes a world class player! Not a massively useless donkey such as Carrol"
"Everybody who's shouting about Carrol back, buying Falcao or Cavani doesn't understand a bit about football or the club. Carroll isn't good enough, he can only be usefull as sub, and he's a little bit expensive for that. "
"Cavani and Falcao are way to expensive! I read also the name of Dries Mertens, well, as a dutchman i see hem play a lot, NOT GOOD ENOUGH! We have to go for Huntelaar! And about FSG, thanks to the spending of Kenny we don't have a lot to spend anymore, we must sell Downing, Cole, Carroll"
"Cavani and Falcao are way to expensive! I read also the name of Dries Mertens, well, as a dutchman i see hem play a lot, NOT GOOD ENOUGH! We have to go for Huntelaar! And about FSG, thanks to the spending of Kenny we don't have a lot to spend anymore, we must sell Downing, Cole, Carroll"
"Brendan we don't want wholesale changes - but I think I speak for everyone when I say, WE NEED AT LEAST 2 PROVEN STRIKERS IN JANUARY.
It will take the pressure off Suarez, making him play better and we'll score more goals. Our defense and midfield are fine (for now), but we NEED a couple of strikers.
I just hope FSG supports you this time.
Whatever happens, in Brendan we trust. YNWA"
"We need 2 proven strikers and all the fans no this. If the owners want us back in the top 4 they will buy 2 in January, if not then it will be Europa league next year! YNWA "
"Strato, King Kenny wasted a lot of money on duds who simply can't make the first team. Our win over Wigan shows a remarkable improvement since the departure of King 'British only' Kenny."
"If we did get AC bak, not that I think we will. It wont matter too much if he scores. So long as the team benefits and we win the games. Andy C is proving useful at West ham without getting on the score sheet himself. Maybe partnering him with a poacher would give luis a break and would give us (contd)"
"a different dimension. We will not win every game by playing the same style -FACT. We need to be adaptive. pass and move works great for 80% of the games. That alone will not win us a le."
"stratoscouser "If FSG cant afford to compete in this league,why did they buy us? "
If they didn't buy LFC at the time, we would heve been like Rangers by now - bankrupted and sent into (way) lower division. So, we are where we are... and we'll try to improve! YNWA"
"Rushjob. Totally agree. I mentioned before how the owners are hands off. Good god, it's a massive business, surely they should get feedback about mounting fans discontent. Rather than an email every 6 months, how about being more commutative with the fans, attend games and get more involved with things like Hillsobourgh. "
"Also people saying be patient. Where was that patience last year. Constant negativity by a select few who now have the audacity to tell us who express concerns with our worst start to a season for many a year to be patient and stop being negative. Jees and some go on about hypocrisy and how fickle most us LFC fans are. "
"Some of you ppl are mad saying being back AC! Are u out of your mind, the guy is not even scoring for a team that plays to his strengths and u want him to come back to us. Ignorant and crazy fans. "
"As a long time Kop supporter, this transfer kitty shenanigans has gotta stop, we NEED 1 SOLID CENTRAL DEFENDER, 1 OUTSTANDING WINGER / CENTER FORWARD / 1 HOLDING MIDFIELDER (GAIN POSSESSION, WIN BY 2-3 goal cushions and aim for 4TH PLACE"
"If your answer is to bring back AC then IMO u haven't got the foggiest idea. Anyway, BR does not even want him so it's not even going to happen. 2 out 2 in I hope, both forwards."
"Whether the club affords a few expensive players or not, the present team looks to have gained momentum that we have been waiting for so long. Just keep the tempo, stay focused and most important with self-believe am sure we will be a the top 4 end of this season. "
"why are people still pointing the finger at BR/FSG if they didnt have the money 2 spend big or pay ridiculous wages we have 2 except that. would you real LFC fans want our club in administration because of ridiculous wages or high priced players? my answer is. NO. so get behind the club u love or jog on"
"i think its great that liverpool are developing their on players. it means kids kicking footballs in the streets can dream of playing for their local team lfc .it may mean we take longer to achieve but we can say there goes one of are own.be patient ,dream the dream ynwa"
"Just a proven finisher will surfice for now, we out play most teams but fail to finish. If money is there then a DM as well then wait till the summer and see where we are and who we have. LFC YNWA"
"Stop eating humble pie BR. Splash a little. It's ok. Tell FSG what and who you really need, and let them go get him. Please dont bring unproven, untested............we got plenty of that. Huntelaar and Bony would be a start!"
"Go get our boy from Chelski!
he hasn't settled there at all and word has it he would come back in January - he and his family are close to Pepe and they miss them? I hear this from my southern Chelski mates!!! Only hope it's true."
"I think this is fair enough. People need to understand & realise that FSG are trying to run a business in the proper manner. They're not oil magnates or sheikhs! "
"We don't need a DM immediately, let's wait till the summer and see if Lucas can recover pretty quickly and well. We need just a right attacker, Walcott, Mertens, Texeira are the names, and a centre forward, Huntelaar, Bony, Demba Ba are the others, then we could do the job till the summer as we could work with a complete and varied roster."
"We need a striker and a winger with pace. Would like to see a CAM brought in as well. I think Hendo can spell Lucas for a few games. Hendo passes well and can be a physical presence in the middle. Would like to see Assaidi play...Im sure BR has a good reason why he hasnt been used more. Please sell Downing and Cole and end the Carroll issue...sell to WHU.....YNWA"
"the squad is strong and aside from joe cole i think everyone else has a role to play. some of our youth players will probably go on loan as shelvey did last which made him.pacheco will have to go out and may leave in the summer as for ac he needs regular football as injury and a loss of form has left him a poor buy but that could all change with a good season at the hammers"
"would like to see more of hendo and allen in midfield with gerrard in front as that is clearly the best midfield. v udinese and wigan we were fantastic with this combo, amazed that we have not used this mix more "
"As for Torres - yes we do need the one we bought a few years ago but not the one who now plays for Chelsea who has lost his pace and hardly scores goals.
Anyone see a comparison with Michael Owen after he left us. "
"Why all the FSG stick? The only thing they did wrong was allow the purchases of Carrol and Downer. They are going to enlarge Anfield and are refusing to spend on old players. Hate to say it but KK was the problem. When are people going to realise that we can't afford finished articles? We need up and coming talent. In FSG and BR I trust."
"I am getting so **ssed off at all this negativity. We never used to have it in this club. BR seems to be a good manager and a very good tactician. We cannot attract the best players because we cannot afford them and we haven't won anything to interest them either. The sooner you get used to it and back the team the better. YNWA. JFT96."
"We have had enough of Liverpool being reserve on acquiring new and exciting pedigree player. This is Liverpool. Why so thrifty? I may not work in this club's administration but it's a no-brainer! Rival clubs raced past Liverpool laughing sending dirts to our face?! You kidding me?! Regain back money and you are looking to sell some more?!"
"I just dont get why people think that the only way to compete is to SPEND SPEND SPEND! FSG are going to get players w/ VALUE for low prices; that is how they work! THey are planning for FFP! Get it through your heads, we will grow our talent or but young players of value! "
"Well said Potholer 19 Nov 2012 22:22 "I BR seems to be a good manager and a very good tactician. We cannot attract the best players because we cannot afford them and we haven't won anything to interest them either. The sooner you get used to it and back the team the better. YNWA. JFT96."
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"LFC shouldn't be a try-out club, therefore STOP bringing mediocre players like Carroll, Henderson, Downing, Allen, and Joe Cole! Lets bring more talented players like Suarez, Sterling, and Gerrard! I say lets bring Edison Cavani or even better Radamel Falcao these are 100% real talented players no waste of time nor money!"
"I can't believe fans are still going on about bringing carroll back as a replacement. He hasn't scored a single goal at West Ham (who play to his so called strengths). Im gutted it didnt work out here for carroll but he just isnt good enough for us. Hopefully we'll do some business in Jan. I completely trust BRs judgement. Its been proved already with carroll"
"To B Honest I would Love To See El Nino Back At Anfield.
He Realised He Made A Huge Mistake By Joining A Club With No History & To Be Fair He Is Wasting His Talent At Chelski.
Mr Rodgers Please Please Try & Do A Deal For Him
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"Lol At Chivapool Comment
Do You Honestly Think Joe Allen Was A Waste Of Money????
He Has Probably Been One Of Our Best Players This Season Without A Doubt.
You Got To Be A Bluenose If Your Comment About Him Is True!!!"
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